Some of you might remember when A Second Chance Animal Shelter in Manning, SC shipped 41 of their dogs off to places that kill pets via the ASPCA. At that time, I made inquiries to A Second Chance, an organization that describes itself as “low to no kill”, but they were less than thrilled about the prospect of providing me with information. This time, I will let the group’s website speak for itself. Here is a screengrab of Merlin’s listing there today:
The text beneath Merlin’s photo describes him as an “AKC Registered, male Weimeraner (sic) puppy” and instructs interested buyers to call for his selling price. Today I received an e-mail from someone who inquired about Merlin as well as the response she says she received:
From: Mrs. Ramsey
To: adoptascc@ftc-i.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:23 AM
Subject: MerlinI was so excited to see the AKC Weimeraner puppy on your Web site. I would like to know how much he is . I have been looking for one forever. He is so pretty. My cell phone is in the shop and I do not have a house phone so please send me all the information so i can show my husband. We have a female that needs a buddy . Thank you so much.
Mrs. Ramsey
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From: Adoption Coordinator <adoptascc@ftc-i.net>
To: Mrs. Ramsey
Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:47 am
Subject: Re: MerlinGood Morning, Mrs. Ramsey.
Merlin’s adoption fee is $500.00. He’s up to date on vaccines and has his papers. He will not be neutered, unless you want him to be. May I ask what website you’re looking at? If you’re still interested in Merlin, please feel welcome to visit him anytime. Our hours of operation are Tuesday through Saturday, 9am to 3pm. We can be reached by email or by the number listed below. We look forward to hearing from/seeing you.
Thank you for your interest in Merlin.
Kind Regards,
Leslie Jones, Adoption Coordinator
A Second Chance Animal Shelter
5079 Alex Harvin Hwy
Manning SC, 29102
(803) 473-7075
Adoption Coordinator. I’m gonna go with LOL on that.
On its website, A Second Chance includes “population control” and “spay and neuter programs” in its mission statement. LOL redux.
When I contacted A Second Chance in 2011, the organization described itself as “low to no kill”. That appears to have changed, at least according to the website:
We are a “No-Kill” shelter and some animals will stay with us all their lives– those that are handicapped, those who cannot emotionally recover from their experiences and cannot be placed in a home, and some that are just not “cute” enough to be chosen.
Except for the 41 long term resident dogs shipped off with the ASPCA to places that kill animals, that could almost sound truthful.
It’s so nice that the ASPCA was able to clear out the black & uglies from this place to make room for profitable little stud dogs like Merlin. I don’t imagine A Second Chance will be calling the ASPCA to take Merlin off their hands anytime soon.
While I’m am disgusted by “rescues” that operate as pet stores, I don’t believe every dog sold should be neutered, either. The buyer should decide what he wants to do with his own animal. If he chooses to breed his pet, then that is and should remain a considered choice. Our California shelter/rescue system is required by law to neuter all dogs and cats prior to placement. I would never adopt a shelter or rescue pet now in California because I do not wish to own altered animals. I like the better odds for good health with an intact pet. Neutering every animal needlessly is not only unnecessary, it is rarely in the best interest of health of the animal.
Now that pet stores here in California are being prohibited from selling anything other than a rescue or shelter animal, be prepared for a thriving underground “black market” in pets. If everything is neutered and no intact animals can be sold legally, where the devil do people think we will be getting pets from ten years from now?
Let’s please put the brakes on any discussion in this vein right now. I do not now, nor have I ever, advocated for neutering of all pets. The issue here is a place that called up the ASPCA and said they needed help freeing up space sent 41 of their long term residents to killing facilities. They claim to be a shelter and solicit donations from the public to fund their work. If you (rhetorical YOU) are that place, you need to stick to the game plan. You can’t be both “desperate” – which was the word used to describe the situation when they sent 41 dogs off with the ASPCA and selling Weim pups for $500 with the option to breed.
Agreed with your general premise of this scurrilous “rescue” turned pet store; however, disagree wtih the assumption that all shelter/rescue pets should be neutered. It should remain an owner’s choice, and IMO should not be the norm to alter dogs, particularly when they are young. In the case of a male at any age, neutering should not be done unless medically necessary. We need to wake up in this country and stop surgically mutilating our pets unnecessarily. In the case of a dog, the ONLY medically necessary reason to neuter is for refractory prostatitis and anal gland infections. That’s it.
One of this year’s Westminster KC participants was a Weimaraner named ‘Maverick’. Maverick’s owner purchased him from Craigslist a couple of years ago. Seems Maverick was in very poor condition, underweight, neglected and unhealthy. But within a few months, under the tender loving care of his new owner, Maverick began to go to dog shows….and win…and win big….and as a Grand Champion, he was a participant in this year’s Westminster show, the most prestigious show of the year.
Maverick’s owner feels that his dog was a “rescue”. Indeed, Maverick could well have ended up in a shelter or rescue had he not been sold on Craigslist. Had that happened, Maverick would almost certainly have been neutered. What a pity that would have been for the Weimaraner world.
I’ve often thought that the requirement to spay/neuter every rescued dog was not only unnecessary, and potentially detrimental to health, but also contributes to narrowing of breed gene pools. Canine geneticists advise us to keep as many individuals as possible in a breed’s gene pool. Genetic diversity is necessary to maintain overall health, vigor, longevity, fertility and optimal immune system function. In the case of purebreds, spay/neuter of all rescues is a very unwise move that reduces genetic diversity. While of course we must be discriminating in selecting individuals for breeding, considering health and good temperament, it’s also a beneficial goal to include as many individuals in breeding programs as possible to help promote diversity and avoid the pitfalls of inbreeding. Another benefit of genetic diversity is lower incidence of breed-specific genetic health problems.
Wholescale spay/neuter, along with over-use for breeding of just a few dogs deemed exceptional, dangerously narrows the gene pools of our breeds. Maverick’s story is a success story not only for him and for his owner, but for his future generations. They would never be born if the typical “rescue” ending of a routinely performed neuter had spelled the end of Maverick’s tale. Thankfully, Maverick’s genes were ultimately preserved.
Whoops…sorry, I left out testicular cancer. A very rare problem that is seldom life-threatening and the dog can have the testicle removed if/when it occurs.
You get that this dog is being sold by a “shelter” right? That they most likely do not know anything about the genetics of the breed and so will be unable to counsel the buyer in that regard? That they were so “desperate” for space one year ago they called the ASPCA to truck away 41 of their long term residents to places that kill animals? That this post is specific to this dog and this shelter and not an indictment of breeding, neutering or some Craigslist dog that won a ribbon at a beauty contest?
Yes, dear. I do “get” all that. I have said twice already that I agreed with your assessment of their operation.
People don’t need to be led by the nose when it comes to making a decision about whether or not to breed their animal or to keep intact. Anyone interested in genetics of a breed is best served by doing their own homework and not necessarily relying on the advice of a seller, particularly one such as this one. I get it.
People do need to be led by the nose on whether to breed their animals or not, because if we continue to let them breed who and what animals they want, the 17.8 million pets per year that are already being euthanized because of this, will triple. Most breeders have too many animals to care for, or the animals they are breeding live in inhumane conditions, there are very few real breeders who do it for the love of the breed. They are the reason for all the killings. it is pure selfishness in order to line their own pockets!
Sorry, I stopped reading after 17.8 million pets per year being “euthanized”. I assume the second verse was same as the first.
The 1970s called, and want their (guesstimate) statistics back.
Current estimates of ‘healthy’ pets killed by animal control facilities nationwide per year is between three and four million. Though it should be noted that none of the statistics quoted by anyone on this topic are based on solid data, as the majority of animal control departments and shelters do not collect any.
This whole thread is so disappointing. There are so few “responsible” breeders out there, and even then, they are adding to the population of severely ovwrpopulated animals and causing their demise in animal shelters.
No. People cannot be trusted to make the appropriate decision of whether to breed or not. They cannot be trusted to breed responsibly. That is why we have BYBs.
As for the euthanasia statistics, perhaps the commenter was talking about worldwide, not nationwide. But, either way, why the need to be so rude?
Oh never mind. I just answered my own question. From Taiwan, the Caribbean, Mexico, Romania, Spain….the list goes on and on. All areas where we IMPORT dogs for the shelter/rescue trade.
Yes, some folks do rescue dogs from those areas. That is their choice isn’t it? When we turn out backs to suffering then our humanity is truly dead. I feel we should all be aware of the suffering of animals in other countries as well as our own so we have choices about where to spend our tourist dollars. The suffering in those places you mention is unbelievable.
Dogs are also transported from one area of the US to another to save their lives as well. So what?
A real rescue doesn’t make money, it is a true charity and will share financials to prove the same. If you want to point a finger, check out the ASPCA in NY and see their numbers and the salaries paid.
I feel it would be irresponsible to adopt out a dog from a shelter or rescue group that is entire. People seem to forget that city and county shelters are funded by tax dollars and those dollars are in short supply, so if there are fewer irresponsible people out there breeding dogs it is better for all concerned.
When a dog is rescued by a rescue group, they OWN that dog and if it is their choice to neuter or spay it is their choice.
Until there is a shortage of dogs in this country, I will continue to support neuter/spay. Until all the puppy mills and back yard breeders are gone, I will continue to support neuter/spay. Until all the dog fighters are gone, I will continue to support neuter/spay.
However, I feel ‘rescue’ groups that are hiding behind the name are are really a profit center, are better off exposed and shut down.
Wow. Hypocrisy, thy name is Second Chance Animal Shelter.
As a rescue organization, I am shocked at several things in this article. 1. That a no-kill to low kill shelter would ship their dogs off to kill facilities. 2. That neuter/spay would even be an option. The number one reason for high euthanasia rates in the south alone is overpopulation. Control the population and you control the euthaniziation of healthy adoptable animals.
I wonder if you request that he be neutered, will it up the price or no?
It is my personal belief and my groups philosophy that we sterilize all pets that come through our “doors”. We feel it is our obligation.
good question..
There is not a genuine “overpopulation” problem in the US nowadays. Maybe 30 or 40 years ago it might have been problematic, but now, there is such a shortage of adoptable dogs that they are imported by the hundreds of thousands every year from other countries…by “rescues” and “shelters”.
Maddie’s Fund states on their website, “Saving all of our healthy and treatable shelter dogs and cats by 2015 is more than possible – we’re almost there!” Nathan Winograd also did a post fairly recently in which he detailed the numbers of adoptable shelter animals who are killed compared to the numbers of homes who will add a new pet this year. Not even close.
Are you serious? Come to Louisiana (or anywhere in the south) and you will see that there is, in fact, a genuine “overpopulation problem.” And animals that are altered are actually less likely to be aggressive, less likely to roam, and less likely to develop diseases that are often fatal. They are also less likely to add to the overpopulation (yes, real problem!) that is killing our animals! But what do I know? Just an animal rescue volunteer and partner of a vet student… Please stop spreading your false information.
I hate to bring this up, since it’s apparently off topic, but does anyone care that a shelter so “desperate” for space that they called the ASPCA for help is selling a Weim puppy for $500? Just wondering.
The health studies are mountainous that demonstrate the adverse effects of spay and neuter. For starters, high rates of incontinence, bladder stones, hypothyroidism, hip dysplasia and knee joint problems, many times higher rates of life-robbing cancers of various types including bone cancer, hemangiosarcoma, prostate cancer and bladder cancer. Sterilized pets have higher rates of vaccine reactions. More fearfulness, more anxiety. More dog-human aggression.
Perhaps your world view is colored by your limited experience as part of the “rescue” scene. Dogs from the south are trucked to shelters in other states, because those areas don’t have enough product on their shelves.
Read Winograd’s information. Do your homework. You are the one spreading misinformation.
YesBiscuit, yes, I am appalled that this shelter that shipped dogs to kill shelters last year is now selling this Weim puppy and virtually promoting him as a potential stud.
You must not live here in the South? Well, dear, let me let you in on a secret: Yes, overpopulation is an issue. I run a nonprofit rescue group and we literally save animals on their last day. There are HUNDREDS of healthy animals being put down just the Memphis area alone. That is not taking into account our entire state, the surrounding states or the entire South. It is irresponsible to suggest anything otherwise. What a shame you are not educated..
You have to have programs in place to, you know, save the animals, spay/neuter, return to owner, provide adequate care when they are in “shelters”, use of foster homes, TNR, working with rescues/sanctuaries, educating the public, etc. I’m not knocking you or your rescue, but I’ve been following this long enough to know what happens to dogs at MAS and some of the other facilities in the Memphis area. It takes some work to find those animals homes – and that’s what is not happening in many places. I live in Michigan and there are 2 no-kill shelters, true open admission shelters, in the upper peninsula, not known for having a robust economy or animal friendly attitudes in some cases. But they made a decision NOT to kill and the killing has stopped.
Consider all of the folks who go to backyard breeders or pet stores or the internet for their pets. There’s no good reason that a whole lot of them wouldn’t go to a rescue or shelter IF they were decent, welcoming places to be and if the adoption process was reasonable and the cost not prohibitive.
The homes are there . . .
NW also believes in spaying and neutering for ALL animals as part of the NO KILL Equation. He wrote an article about what a failure Maddie’s Fund has been in creating NO KILL -they have been saying saying that they were “almost there” for over a decade and that the US could be NO KILL by 2008. Are you even aware of this? Or do you just pick and choose the facts that suit your agenda?
There is no shortage of “adoptable” dogs, however there is a terrible shortage of quality adopters. You need to do your homework about what is going on in the real world – set foot in a open intake shelter to see the desperation, misery and death. Although, judging from the tone of your comments with thinly veiled disdain for rescues and less that quality dogs, that would probably be a wasted trip.
Wait. You’re kidding, right? You seriously believe there is no overpopulation problem?
Wake up annapurna. You can try to convince yourself that pet overpopulation doesn’t exist in this country – but you’d be best to look outside of the areas for which you are quoting statistics. Come to the south and drive any of the back roads while dodging multiple dogs – and then tell me there isn’t an overpopulation problem. Your narrow focus in all of your posts tells me that you have convinced yourself of these things by refusing to look at reality. Please stop talking only about areas of the country that support your view.
I am sorry for this because I am not only USUALLY a mild, laid back person, not only a person but also an Ordained Minister so God please forgive me for this … But, my blood is BOILING right now. You Annapurna just made the most ignorant post I have ever seen someone make in my life. Do not throw your NKN Winograd propaganda around. MILLIONS of dogs and cats die every year in this Country. Go spend ONE week at a local County run shelter and then come back here and say that overpopulation is a myth. I can not believe adults with brains in their heads believe that crap! My God!! This is disgusting and it is a horrible attempt at making excuses for breeders to try and explain away their reasoning for pimping out their dogs for profit. I pray for this dog that someone will get him and neuter him so he does not have to spend his life “performing” for human greed. Come spend a week with me and see what I see on a daily basis, then tell me overpopulation is a myth. Come see the abuse, neglect, starvation, death that I have watched for the past 22 years working in animal shelters. Show me proof of a shelter that imports dogs from other Countries. Do you know how much it cost to bring a dog in from another Country? and you think shelters are doing this? PROVE IT!!BTW, you can love a breed, appreciate a breed and still not be a greedy human. I have 3 pure bred dogs, a Yorkshire Terrier and two Chinese Shar-Pei’s the Yorkie came from a rescue and he 2 Pei’s came from 2 different high kill shelters. All are spayed/ neutered. Even if ONE dog dies because it could not find a home then that is one too many! Any person who truly loves animals or even a specific breed would love them enough to give up the vanity of having that breed as a pet. I grew up my entire life loving Shar Pei’s which is why I RESCUE them. If it meant that no dogs would suffer abuse, no dogs would die from neglect or in shelters, no dogs would be bred for humans to sell their babies then I would gladly give up having Shar Pei’s in my family. Ugh, so disgusted right now.
Janna,
God is not subscribed to the comments on this blog so no point asking for forgiveness. I however do follow the comments and had you sought my forgiveness, I might be persuaded to offer you another chance before banning your ordained ass. Alas, it was not meant to be.
This leaves me speechless. I will be thinking about this for a long time.
Just addressing the mountain of minsinformation that I read regularly in your comments field. Sometimes, enough of that is simply enough. It’s no surprise to me that “rescues” are now functioning as pet stores. I live in California where in more and more cities, pet stores are legally prohibited from selling pets unless they come from a “shelter” or “rescue”. Many of them operate just as this one you describe. The only difference is that here, all rescues must be sterilized. And they wonder why over 10,000 dogs and puppies each year are smuggled into San Diego county each year from Mexico (according to a recent US Border patrol survey). DUH.
Recently, a “rescue” in Simi Valley sold puppies who were infected with parvo, but hey, that’s just dandy, at least they were from a sanctimonious, unregulated saintly “rescue” organization and not a greedy evil breeder who participates in “beauty contests”.
You live in CA, yet you believe that there “isn’t enough product on the shelves”? Take a quick look at any of the shelters in LA County and you will see hundreds of “desirable”, highly-adoptable dogs. You must live in an alternate universe… As someone who rescues animals in NYC (I assume from your negative, sanctimonious tone that you aren’t involved in rescue), I can tell you that dogs and puppies are killed EVERY day due to people’s ignorance, ignorance that you seem to want to perpetuate.
As a fellow Californian that works in rescue, you are a fool. Do you have any idea how many dogs are killed in California shelters in a week? Yet people are smuggling pups from Mexico? Fuck that, I’m calling the god damn border control. Thank god we have the sterilization requirements in our state.
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/Veterinary+news/Inside-the-black-market/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/662872
just to show you how wrong you are.. so yes please give border control a call
I think that anyone who reads your blog regularly agrees with your feelings about the shelter-cum-pet shop. Unfortunately that is getting to be more common. Unscrupulous people see a way to make money and take the opportunity. However, I think your readers may find it equally hard to swallow the nonsense annapurna was spouting. Watch a documentary called “Purebred dogs Exposed” produced by the BBC, which shows the true cost of purebreds, and the damage done by the beauty contests known as dog shows. Preserving genetic diversity? Don’t make me laugh. All purebred dogs look the way they do because they are totally inbred for generations. That continues today, with brother-sister, father-daughter and mother-son matings done and accepted. Genetic diseases are rampant. Breeds like the german shepherd have been ruined with that stupid Rin-tin-tin on a mountain top look. No police dept. buys those, they import straight-backed undeformed ones from Europe. Watch a king Charles cavalier spaniel writhe in agony because of syringomyelia. Hip dysplasia – in most larger breeds, back problems in dachshunds and other low-slung breeds, breeds like bull dogs which can no longer mate or give birth naturally, and many many other genetic problems. Some breeders do try not to propagate genetic problems, if there is a test available. But even more don’t care, puppy mills certainly don’t – money is money. Adhering to the god-like breed standard is way more important to breeders than correcting the problems they created in the first place. Perhaps one day you could have a blog on that.
What does any of Jemima Harrison’s ‘Pedigree Dogs Exposed” have to do with the information on spay-neuter and population figures? Nothing.
Our local small breed rescue sells puppies for $500. But hey, it’s “rescue” so that’s fine. They can get more for a puppy than an adult. They have few bureaucratic regulations. They are in the driver’s seat. And, they take full advantage of that fact.
The rescue has most likely invested substantial funds in treating the puppies’ illnesses acquired from poor shelter conditions, vet care, foster’s expenses and/or boarding. This is a specious argument.
Wow. They ADOPT puppies, not SELL puppies. How else would you have them recoup their expenses? How do you expect them to even things out with the older dogs, or the black furred dogs, or the not so cute dogs whom remain in rescue for MONTHS, incurring vet expenses, expenses for food, etc… If a person is willing to pay $500 for a puppy who has been in a rescue program for a week and help to offset the expenses of a senior dog who has been in the rescue program for 6 months, why do you see that as wrong? Once again – you are proving that you can’t look at things realistically and have no clue what it truly means to run a rescue group.
I guess I do not understand “rescue” if the dog is “in rescue” for even years isn’t that what ‘rescue” is.. what matter does it make if you are a rescuer and the dog stays with you or another of your group.. isn’t that dog already ‘rescued”? Why does the dog need to be sold and moved again to another home? Why should rescues recoup any money at all from the sale of a dog? Isn’t it about actually saving the dog and not about the money?
South Carolina Law – § 47-3-480. Provisions for sterilization; exceptions; payment of costs; subsequent notification of sterilization for animals not sterile when acquired.
(A) A public or private animal shelter, animal control agency operated by a political subdivision of this State, humane society, or public or private animal refuge shall make provisions for the sterilization of all dogs or cats acquired from the shelter, agency, society, or refuge by:
(1) providing sterilization by a licensed veterinarian before relinquishing custody of the animal; or
(2) entering into a written agreement with the person acquiring the animal guaranteeing that sterilization will be performed by a licensed veterinarian within thirty days after acquisition of a sexually mature animal or no later than six months of age except upon a written statement issued by a licensed veterinarian stating that such surgery would threaten the life of the animal.
(B) This section does not apply to a privately owned animal which the shelter, agency, society, or refuge may have in its possession for any reason if the owner of the animal claims or presents evidence that the animal is his property.
(C) All costs of sterilization pursuant to this section are the responsibility of the person acquiring the animal and, if performed before acquisition, may be included in the fees charged by the shelter, agency, society, or refuge for the animal.
(D) A person acquiring an animal from a shelter, an agency, a society, or a refuge which is not sterile at the time of acquisition shall submit to the shelter, agency, society, or refuge a signed statement from the licensed veterinarian performing the sterilization required by subsection (A) within seven days after sterilization attesting that the sterilization has been performed.
HISTORY: Added by 1998 Act No. 271, § 1, eff upon approval (became law without the Governor’s signature on April 8, 1998).
The comments regarding spay/neuter having adverse effects on animals? Do some research… I can’t say that I agree or disagree, especially with the way annapurna is pushing that point of view. BUT, in reading studies and articles regarding the risk vs benefit of spaying / neutering I have to say there’s some pretty interesting information out there. The thing that annapurna ISN’T mentioning, is that the adverse effects of altering pets seems to be more a risk for pets that undergo pediatric surgeries… but not necessarily a risk for sexually mature animals who are spayed or neutered after they’ve reached maturity (into their second year).
That isn’t to say that my opinion of shelters and rescues adopting out intact animals has changed. While I DO support RESPONSIBLE breeding, I do not condone backyard breeding in any way shape or form. I also do not condone breeding a dog simply because it is an AKC registered pure bred. And because there is no testing done on shelter/rescue animals to determine whether or not they are indeed good candidates for breeding, I feel it is absolutely irresponsible and unethical for these orgs to be placing animals intact, aside from the fact that it completely goes against everything animal shelters and rescues stand for and promote. I don’t even like the idea of spay/neuter agreements because many shelters and rescues do not have the resources to follow up and enforce these agreements; and those that do generally don’t.
YesBiscuit Says:
May 7, 2013 at 5:42 pm
I hate to bring this up, since it’s apparently off topic, but does anyone care that a shelter so “desperate” for space that they called the ASPCA for help is selling a Weim puppy for $500? Just wondering.
Absolutely!! I worked at this shelter about 6 yrs ago; when they were fighting so hard against the county to remain no/low (?) kill. Many of the dogs that went north on that transport I knew because they had been there since puppy-hood and were there still, even years after I left the shelters employment.
I read your blog post regarding the ASPCA transport, and while I genuinely appreciated the intention behind sending them to new shelters to give them exposure in new regions and prayed that they would be adopted… I was appalled at the notion that they went to kill facilities where “x” number of dogs would possibly be euthanized for lack of space due to their presence. (Or even those very dogs for that matter, because frankly… most shelters wouldn’t take the time or spend the resources to follow up in a situation like this and agreements DO get broken.)
This shelter has been fighting to keep its doors open for a long time now, and it is under a new board and new management (now vs when they sent the dogs on the ASPCA transport). I am in NO way defending ANY of the actions posted about here, but I think it might help to explain the complete 180 and hypocrisy we see in the selling of Merlin, and the desperation to get those dogs out 2 yrs ago. I hope that makes sense… Aside from shelters/rescues selling/adopting out intact animals without spay/neuter agreements being in place or the animal being sterilized prior to leaving the shelter being illegal here in South Carolina, it is unethical and imo, corrupt.
On a side note, I noticed that the puppy is no longer listed on their web site since this blog went up. Makes one wonder if the opinion of the blog and those commenting in disgust isn’t correct, because if this is not what they were doing… there would be no reason to remove him from their listing. No?? Again, my opinion.
Light generally causes roaches to scatter.
And you people have nothing absolutely have nothing else better to do, huh? Instead of criticizing and handing out negativity, why don’t you move from in front of the computer screen and start helping your local shelters/rescues???? Then, when you become a part of the GOOD that these people do. . . Maybe, there will be room to put your two cents in. That’s the problem with people these days. Everyone so worried about what the next man is doing WRONG, instead of patting the next man on the back for what good he has done. It’s a shame that most people are more worried about putting others down instead of uniting and working together. I’m sure we all have our own problems, so why are we worrying about the next mans problems?
Did you write this from a template? Cos I’ve read it like 100 times already.
And just how is it that you know that we aren’t already involved in animal rescue/sheltering in our own communities? Thank you very much for the lecture,but I do my part (plus a little more) and have every intention of calling out those who do nothing but abuse, mistreat, neglect and kill the animals in their care.
You’re either a devil on a computer or an angel helping animals. There is no mix and match. It’s the rules. Everyone fits into a narrow black and white box and there shall be no deviating!
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:51 AM, YesBiscuit!
If that’s true, you wouldn’t be putting that shelter down or any REAL 501 c(3) shelter down. All I know is that people these days are too quick to highlight mistakes then promote the good. It makes me sick. You all need to speak to the good Lord about this. I’m sure he’s not proud either.
And how has this shelter abused, mistreated, neglected, any animals in their care? You people are so full of POO!
I don’t believe the good Lord is happy with the treatment of His creatures in some of these 501(c)3 “shelters” either.
SMH. I bet.
So you want us to give this shelter a pat on the back? For what!?? Attempting to “adopt out” an INTACT dog? Or I suppose we could pat them on the back for the fact that this dog is a pure bred and not just some random mix breed?? Yeah, that’s pat on the back worthy… SMH
I was pretty shocked and disgusted when I read this. If you are in the business of “rescue” I think the animals should be sterile, aren’t we here to help control the population? I don’t get how this place thinks that this is fine, anyone who has worked in a shelter should know how important it is the sterilize animals. Working in shelters for years, I don’t think I can change my mind on the whole fixing issues. Growing up the way I did and the things I went through all I had as a child was animals, I would bring home strays all the time, everything from kittens to chickens. I knew for a young age I wanted to help animals. It was a whole new world when I started working in a shelter environment. Every single day I saw unwanted and abused animals come and go. Nothing made me feel like the biggest piece of crap than taking care of these animals day in and day out and then turning around and having to kill them for no reason. Plenty of times i would lay on the floor with a dead animal in my arms just crying, being the one pushing the needle in and them looking at you and wondering what you are doing to them. They are just excited to be out of their cage and with you. It made my life Hell, took a toll on marriage. So this is not okay by any means. Love the idea on “no kill” but like this place what kinda life is it for an animal to live I a cage for years or its whole life? The no-kill shelters around back home get to pick and choose what comes. So where does that leave the rest? I don’t see how these people think its okay.
FYI check state law, anything coming from a shelter or a pound is REQUIRED to be spayed or neutered. This is STATE LAW not some places opinion.
I am guessing you are referring to SC state law but IDK for sure. Please clarify.
If indeed you are referring to SC, we have no such law here. It is left to the shelter’s discretion if they want to neuter the pet prior to release. They may alternatively enter into an agreement with the adopter that the neuter will be done in a timely manner. There are exceptions for animals who would be at serious medical risk if forced to undergo neuter surgery and for pets being reclaimed by their owners.
good law.. noty every animal should be castrated, especially if vey young ( cats excepted) studies prove that
As long as MILLIONS of dogs are being killed each year in the US alone…. every dog should be spayed or neutered….
Amen!
even pregnant ones?
Yeah, even pregnant ones. 6 unborn puppies are aborted, or 6 adult dogs who have been wronged by humans are euthanized. Take your pick. Spay your dogs, your neighbor’s dogs, and that random dog walking on the street. It’s the only way to avoid having to choose between killing those puppies or the adult dogs, spay and neuter.
Banned for promoting the killing of dogs and cats.
What a delight to get back online and find all these comments from killing apologists.<—–You can tell by my tone I've never rescued a pet.
Nothing like a tone argument first thing in the morning! *takes a deep sniff* Smells like … smells like … cat poop, actually.
Better get to it before the dog does.