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  1. Could someone please tell me what exactly the definition of a “No-Kill Shelter” is? I understand it means that healthy animals do not get euthanized, but is there a line drawn as to what makes an animal “un-healthy”? I am asking for two reasons: 1) I honestly don’t know the answer and I am trying to educate myself so that I can help take a stand against MAS and 2) Do the leaders of MAS understand what that would mean? Thanks!

    1. Please, please find a copy of REdemption by Nathan Winograd, and all your wildest dreams will be answered (also your questions). :-))

    2. There is a line. It’s somewhere around the place where no reasonable treatment would be able to alleviate the symptoms or cure the condition. Then it is up to the individual to determine what is reasonable.

      For example when my cat got CRF I decided that fluid therapy was reasonable, but a kidney transplant was not. Maybe a shelter out there would have done a transplant (although I doubt that one). But fluid therapy is something I would expect a no-kill shelter to be willing to do.

      I don’t think there is any cut and dried formula that says this condition is un-healthy and euthanizathion is okay. It is really on a per animal basis – for example if a cat with CRF gets so stressed over fluid therapy that they cower in fear all day long then it gets moved into unreasonable treatment.

      The main question that needs to be asked is “will treatment help this animal maintain a good standard of living”. If the answer is no then you make the animal comfortable for as long as possible and then let them go.


      1. Morgana, thank you. Just as an FYI, the No Kill Advocacy Center is offering signed copies for a donation of $10 at nokilladvocacycenter.org. That aside, the short answer is a shelter that saves all healthy and treatable animals, upwards of 95% of all impounds. So from that standpoint, it doesn’t matter if the shelter is municipal or private, “open admission” or “closed admission.” More information is here: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/pdf/nokillprimer.pdf

    1. Daniela,

      Aside from the name change, CAARA goes much further in terms of what shelters have to do as outlined in the article you cite. As to the rescue access part of the legislation, it would still be illegal for shelters to kill animals if non-profit rescue groups are willing and able to save them, so that has not changed. The only real change is that the rescuer has to have at least 1 year of experience and a relationship with a veterinary provider. But it will narrowly tailored so that there is no discretion on the part of the shelter as to what that means and how it is proven. Those conditions are written explicitly into the legislation.

      1. That makes sense – CAARA is a new and improved version of Oreo’s law. I live in NY – what can I do to help get it passed?


      2. Yes, I am in NY too – what can we do aside from the usual letter-writing?

  2. How are folks coming with letters to the Mayor and the Chamber, etc? Let’s keep each other uptodate. OK? Don’t forget the Candle Lighting on May 28! Shirley, can we go virtual on that? Do you know yet?

    1. I mailed out a long letter with photos from this site over the weekend. Probably won’t hear anything. Really sounds like the mayor is putting his fingers in his ears and singing “I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you.”
      I did mention that he either doesn’t understand what’s really happening at MAS or he does and doesn’t care. I can’t see it any other way.

    2. The site I checked out allows you to set up a group and direct people to that group to light a virtual candle. I can set that up but it has to be done on the day of the vigil as the candles only stay lit for 48 hours.

      1. “Let me say this!” Watching the tapes of the last advisory board meeting was absolutely frustrating to say the least. The vet who is on the board appeared for 1 min 28 seconds and said he wanted it to be recorded that he was present. Who is he kidding? That man is not interested in the welfare of the animals. Then the mayor’s representative for the most part said absolutely nothing accept “Let me say this” time after time after time. Other than that he didn’t say anything that was constructive. He made excuses and to top it off he was extremely rude! He represented the mayor! That says alot about who the major is. People need to get in city government’s face, all of them. Make lots of noise, contact the media, let it be known that people will not let this go. You want change and you want it yesterday.

      2. If that’s gratefulness.org, the vigil is maintained for as long as people light new candles. So, so long as there’s someone willing to keep posting at least one new candle, it will remain active.

      3. Yes Eucritta – that’s the one. As pathetic as it may sound I honestly can’t commit to remembering to light a virtual candle every day for 2 weeks. I’m sort of teetering on the point where lighting a virtual candle every day is going to push me over the edge, ya know? lawl.

      4. Yeah, I understand. But if it is set up early, I’d be willing, just let me know where it is.

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